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	<description>Photography and Ideas I find that Pleasure the Eye and Delight the Mind.</description>
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		<title>By: Worth a look: Publication magazine and Photochart &#124; dvafoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth a look: Publication magazine and Photochart &#124; dvafoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be missed: Be sure to check out Nick Turpin&#8217;s chart of photography, classifying photographers between the three poles of photojournalism, fine art, and street [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be missed: Be sure to check out Nick Turpin&#8217;s chart of photography, classifying photographers between the three poles of photojournalism, fine art, and street [...]</p>
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		<title>By: browserFruits: Das News Special zur Fotografie &#124; Digitale Fotografie Lernen - KWERFELDEIN - Martin Gommel</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>browserFruits: Das News Special zur Fotografie &#124; Digitale Fotografie Lernen - KWERFELDEIN - Martin Gommel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sehr interessant finde ich dieses Dreieck auf 779, auf welcher der Autor verschiedene Fotografen 3 Stilrichtungen zugewiesen hat. Einerseits [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sehr interessant finde ich dieses Dreieck auf 779, auf welcher der Autor verschiedene Fotografen 3 Stilrichtungen zugewiesen hat. Einerseits [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where would Lorca Di Corcia fit into this discussion?  His later work has been shot entirely on the street, but he uses light set ups to illuminate the subject matter, to guide our eye.  It&#039;s Fine Art shot on the street, even though there is a very present and purposeful aesthetic.

I think it&#039;s a little to didactic to create these categories because I see the work of really good street photogs to be beautiful works of art in that they stop beautiful every day moments and freeze them for us all, much the way that the photo of Melnie Einzig does.  Sure someone like a Baum could photoshop that image, but to actually have the sensibility to watch and wait for the photo to create itself is an art form in itself.  

Yes, what Baum does in his image is purposeful and skillful, but to leave out the fact that he has indeed altered the photo completely changes the experience for me because I want to know what was taken out and why?

I&#039;m less interested in works like Baum&#039;s the purposefully cross a line to create an illusion of &quot;realness&quot;, but I am interested in works like those of Melanie Einzig, De Carava, Robert Frank and the like that are simply transcendent, regardless of the school of photo making they ascribe to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where would Lorca Di Corcia fit into this discussion?  His later work has been shot entirely on the street, but he uses light set ups to illuminate the subject matter, to guide our eye.  It&#8217;s Fine Art shot on the street, even though there is a very present and purposeful aesthetic.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a little to didactic to create these categories because I see the work of really good street photogs to be beautiful works of art in that they stop beautiful every day moments and freeze them for us all, much the way that the photo of Melnie Einzig does.  Sure someone like a Baum could photoshop that image, but to actually have the sensibility to watch and wait for the photo to create itself is an art form in itself.  </p>
<p>Yes, what Baum does in his image is purposeful and skillful, but to leave out the fact that he has indeed altered the photo completely changes the experience for me because I want to know what was taken out and why?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m less interested in works like Baum&#8217;s the purposefully cross a line to create an illusion of &#8220;realness&#8221;, but I am interested in works like those of Melanie Einzig, De Carava, Robert Frank and the like that are simply transcendent, regardless of the school of photo making they ascribe to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Gates</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Eggleston is much closer to fine art photography than you have him. I&#039;d put someone like William Christenberry (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5613101) closer to Street Photography (which I would rather see title as Documentary Photography).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Eggleston is much closer to fine art photography than you have him. I&#8217;d put someone like William Christenberry (<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5613101" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5613101</a>) closer to Street Photography (which I would rather see title as Documentary Photography).</p>
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		<title>By: Taylor Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Taylor Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The picture and Baum move across a border, they cross my &#039;red line&#039; into a new region of photography, a region that I respect less because it is easier to do.&quot;

Easy to do, but not easy to do well.  I understand that the surprise makes us feel cheated, but it doesn&#039;t detract from its quality, and points to the need for photographers to communicate the context behind images.

Photographs have always been slivers of reality, the only difference is how we capture / create those slivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The picture and Baum move across a border, they cross my &#8216;red line&#8217; into a new region of photography, a region that I respect less because it is easier to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>Easy to do, but not easy to do well.  I understand that the surprise makes us feel cheated, but it doesn&#8217;t detract from its quality, and points to the need for photographers to communicate the context behind images.</p>
<p>Photographs have always been slivers of reality, the only difference is how we capture / create those slivers.</p>
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		<title>By: zach wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>zach wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wonder where Scott Schuman, the Sartorialist would appear on this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wonder where Scott Schuman, the Sartorialist would appear on this</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Gates</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post and an idea that has occupied me for many years. I was a fine art photographer who suddenly found himself photographing a swath of land that was supposed to become a freeway in Los Angeles. Because of a court injunction stopping construction the landscape was &quot;frozen&quot; in time while the legal aspects were sorted out. This provided me an opportunity to photograph. Initially, I was attracted to the area because it reminded me of the bit of suburbia I grew up in. But as I got into the photographing and then the writing which accompanies the work, it morphed into more of a documentary. So, it started out as an artistic exploration but changed as I got into the project. The work is called In Our Path and you can see it at: http://inourpath.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post and an idea that has occupied me for many years. I was a fine art photographer who suddenly found himself photographing a swath of land that was supposed to become a freeway in Los Angeles. Because of a court injunction stopping construction the landscape was &#8220;frozen&#8221; in time while the legal aspects were sorted out. This provided me an opportunity to photograph. Initially, I was attracted to the area because it reminded me of the bit of suburbia I grew up in. But as I got into the photographing and then the writing which accompanies the work, it morphed into more of a documentary. So, it started out as an artistic exploration but changed as I got into the project. The work is called In Our Path and you can see it at: <a href="http://inourpath.com" rel="nofollow">http://inourpath.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-715</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nick, interesting observation, I have some thoughts that I think is a bit long to be a comment, so I posted them here:

http://portfoliography.com/2009/10/true-color-of-photography/

Keep in mind that I&#039;m seeing it from a different perspective, so my views aren&#039;t as technical as your research.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nick, interesting observation, I have some thoughts that I think is a bit long to be a comment, so I posted them here:</p>
<p><a href="http://portfoliography.com/2009/10/true-color-of-photography/" rel="nofollow">http://portfoliography.com/2009/10/true-color-of-photography/</a></p>
<p>Keep in mind that I&#8217;m seeing it from a different perspective, so my views aren&#8217;t as technical as your research.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: tep</title>
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		<dc:creator>tep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have Amy Stein, but not someone like Lauren Greenfield who&#039;s been around much longer and is way more successful in the photojournalism, fine art, and even commercial worlds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have Amy Stein, but not someone like Lauren Greenfield who&#8217;s been around much longer and is way more successful in the photojournalism, fine art, and even commercial worlds?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.sevensevennine.com/?p=429&#038;cpage=1#comment-704</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only just come across your site, so I am a bit late to this post. 

In relation to your deifinition of street photography, and in distinction to other, similar photographic styles, may I recommend (I could find no mention of it through a search of your site):

Clive Scott: Street Photography: from Atget to Cartier-Bresson. I.B. Tauris &amp; Co. LTD. 2007. 

Good on the difference between street and documentary photography, the relationship between impressionism and street photography, and the concept of the instant. 

Best, Sean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only just come across your site, so I am a bit late to this post. </p>
<p>In relation to your deifinition of street photography, and in distinction to other, similar photographic styles, may I recommend (I could find no mention of it through a search of your site):</p>
<p>Clive Scott: Street Photography: from Atget to Cartier-Bresson. I.B. Tauris &amp; Co. LTD. 2007. </p>
<p>Good on the difference between street and documentary photography, the relationship between impressionism and street photography, and the concept of the instant. </p>
<p>Best, Sean.</p>
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